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Are there general guidelines as to when to use a wire rush in the chanter?

Makes second octave lower(pitch)

Sorry read topic wrong, , mean reed staple .

Why do ye want to do this?Ye also say that ye think your drones are too loud?If this is a new set then perhaps a word with the maker would be in order
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Uilliam

What's a wire rush?

Uilleann915 wrote:What's a wire rush?

A wire rush is a length of very thin wire wire that is either stuck up the bore of the chanter or the staple of the reed to narrow their internal diameter.

Narrowing the bore of the chanter usually flattens the first octave whether the second octave is comparably sharp due to dry weather or due to a reed that is too long/too closed/overscraped. I generally find that a rush up the bore causes gurgles/'autocran' on the bottom D note, but a rush is said to sometimes improve this problem (if you're lucky, the chanter will also become mellower in sound since you are bringing it closer to a 'narrow-bore' chanter).

Narrowing the internal diameter of the staple does the opposite to the chanter (flattens the second octave).

There is also a less common rushing to just the throat of the chanter by dangling a rush out of the bottom of the staple. This is meant to help reduce bottom D gurgles. However, my experience is that it just flattens the back D rediculously.

To rush something, bend a 'U' shape into the end of the wire so that it jams snugly into the bottom of the chanter/staple. You can vary the amount of narrowing to a specific part of a bore by adding stuff onto the wire (e.g. blu-tac or ptfe tape) or alternatively, just use a rolled up piece of card or paper and poke it up the bore to where you want it (although it can be hard to fish it out after doing so.

Hope that clarifies things for you.

If this is a new set then perhaps a word with the maker would be in order

Could not agree more!!!!


Kinda pisses me off that one of the most respected makers out there supplies his chanters with a rush in the bore!
It's like saying, " heres the mad expensive chanter you ordered, I knew it wouldn't be in tune so I stuck a lump of metal up it."

If the maker gave you a brand new chanter with a wire rush, I'd send it back.

Tell the maker to fix their bore.

Tommy.

And don't even bother to tell me about hard and soft D tuning, high E and the like. Rubbish. A proper bore will fix all that..... Messers

tompipes wrote:

Kinda pisses me off that one of the most respected makers out there supplies his chanters with a rush in the bore!
It's like saying, " heres the mad expensive chanter you ordered, I knew it wouldn't be in tune so I stuck a lump of metal up it."

Am I missing something here? I don't recall reading that the maker sent the new chanter out complete with a rush up the bore.

What's the story?

Joseph E. Smith wrote:.....Am I missing something here? .....

Perhaps it's this?

Look closely at the pictures:





From this link:
http://www.antondavila.com/images/Instr ... /uilleann/

goldy wrote:A wire rush is a length of very thin wire wire that is either stuck up the bore of the chanter or the staple of the reed to narrow their internal diameter.....

Thin wire (like a guitar high E string) in the staple of the reed.
But, the one's I've seen in chanters are more like the diameter of uncooked spagetti. I read somewhere to actually use a piece of spagetti and blue tack.

Tony wrote:

Joseph E. Smith wrote:.....Am I missing something here? .....

Perhaps it's this?

Ahhhh, I see. Is this your chanter Baen? Did it come new from the maker this way?

All of the chanters I have seen by Alan Froment have a piece of wire up the bore.
I agree wi Tom who agrees wi me so we both agree wi each other
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Uilliam

Uilliam wrote:All of the chanters I have seen by Alan Froment have a piece of wire up the bore.
I agree wi Tom who agrees wi me so we both agree wi each other
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Uilliam

And they come this way new from Alain? If so, I have to agree with you and Tommy.

What the problem with rushing??? Did I misread something?

IMHO, I wouldn't put blue tack inside my chanter if you paid me to, that stuff can be very difficult to get off the wood completely. I prefer the wax of the humble bee to anything else.

ceadach wrote:....Did I misread something?....

Yes.