The wire in the throat doesn't neccesarily cure a gurgling low D on any chanter. It's meant for those chanters with oversized throats. But, as I've mentioned before, where it may work with one reed, another (and better) reed may not gurgle at all, so it's mostly in the reed I believe. Same with other wire-cure-alls. A good custom made reed won't require any wires anywhere. Sometimes some chanters just won't work right without a wire though.
I've heard that Leo R. had wires everywhere in his wide bore chanters. Maybe he understood something about tuning/toning down that suited him and his chanters just fine. Maybe he did it that way on purpose??
When to use a wire rush?
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Following reading comments about Alain Froment's chanters always having a rush in it, I wonder whether he is actually being a nice guy and supplying one should the buyer need it at some point down the track (kinda like some makers supply a spare reed). He is a well reputed maker (I imagine due to consistently making good sets) so lets not be too quick in being synical about why a rush is there. Has anyone ever asked him why they are there?
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Bizarre... I was really impressed with the Froment set that I saw and played, but I hadn't looked up the bore. This would seem a deliberate preference on the part of the builder.
I've ran into some chanters that needed to be rushed just to function at pitch; a friend of mine has a wonderful Willie Rowsome chanter that this is the case with, but that chanter is over 100 years old. (I expect I'll need some tricks to keep going at that point, should I make it that far)
Oh the stuff we do to keep these instruments happy!
I've ran into some chanters that needed to be rushed just to function at pitch; a friend of mine has a wonderful Willie Rowsome chanter that this is the case with, but that chanter is over 100 years old. (I expect I'll need some tricks to keep going at that point, should I make it that far)
Oh the stuff we do to keep these instruments happy!
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Modern concert pitch is relatively new and wouldna been a strict reference point 100 years ago.. for Willie or the rest..there is also some thought that Leo was tuning to the American pitch via his harmonium which was sharp and therefore needs rushing to bring it to 440.(which most of ye seem obsessed wi)
As for supplying a rush already in situ just in case the buyer needs one c'mon folks thats is just plain daft,..(so if ye don't fancy one in it take it out and then listen to it never mind about years down the road try it now) ? I am sure it will sound a bit different.
This has got to be some sort o joke, although I fail to see the hilarity... Nobody is being cynical (unless it is yersel perhaps)
Simple fact..rush = correction.Once in a while maybe OK... but as a basic design
Not owning one I have no desire to ask him why but if I was spending that sort of cash on it then I certainly would be doing a bit of questioning.
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As for supplying a rush already in situ just in case the buyer needs one
c'mon folks thats is just plain daft,..(so if ye don't fancy one in it take it out and then listen to it never mind about years down the road try it now) ? I am sure it will sound a bit different.This has got to be some sort o joke, although I fail to see the hilarity... Nobody is being cynical (unless it is yersel perhaps)
Simple fact..rush = correction.Once in a while maybe OK... but as a basic design
Not owning one I have no desire to ask him why but if I was spending that sort of cash on it then I certainly would be doing a bit of questioning.
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As rushes lower the pitch, the Willie Rowsome chanter probably really did need the rush to play in pitch as it was likely built to play somewhere around A=452.
When Brad Angus took a gander at my Cillian Ó Bríain chanter, he said "That thing needs a bore!" And I think he might be right...I prefer the slightly mellower sound with a rush up the bore. But yes, if the chanter's well made (and I'd like to think that mine is), then you shouldn't NEED the effin' thing. Now blu-tack on the other hand...Don't leave home without it...And if you have any theatre-geek friends, steal some of their gaff tape when they're not lookin'. Great, great stuff.
Oh. Sorry....
As rushes lower the pitch, the Willie Rowsome chanter probably really did need the rush to play in pitch as it was likely built to play somewhere around A=452.
When Brad Angus took a gander at my Cillian Ó Bríain chanter, he said "That thing needs a bore!" And I think he might be right...I prefer the slightly mellower sound with a rush up the bore. But yes, if the chanter's well made (and I'd like to think that mine is), then you shouldn't NEED the effin' thing. Now blu-tack on the other hand...Don't leave home without it...And if you have any theatre-geek friends, steal some of their gaff tape when they're not lookin'. Great, great stuff.
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Yes a bore would be helpful it would let the column of air generate a note and connect up wi the finger holesThe Sporting Pitchfork wrote:When Brad Angus took a gander at my Cillian Ó Bríain chanter, he said "That thing needs a bore!" And I think he might be right....
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As rushes lower the pitch, the Willie Rowsome chanter probably really did need the rush to play in pitch as it was likely built to play somewhere around A=452.
Very true, Pitch standard was by no means set in stone in Willie's day, as it did for most of history.
The real reason that we care about getting a chanter to spot on A 440 is that we have to play with other musicians who can't tune to us, (like those damned accordions ) and be to heard on stage. Otherwise we might still be playing flat sets.
Exactly. On purpose or not it is odd in a new chanter. I'd take this up with the builder.As for supplying a rush already in situ just in case the buyer needs one c'mon folks thats is just plain daft,..(so if ye don't fancy one in it take it out and then listen to it never mind about years down the road try it now) ? I am sure it will sound a bit different.
As rushes lower the pitch, the Willie Rowsome chanter probably really did need the rush to play in pitch as it was likely built to play somewhere around A=452.
Very true, Pitch standard was by no means set in stone in Willie's day, as it did for most of history.
The real reason that we care about getting a chanter to spot on A 440 is that we have to play with other musicians who can't tune to us, (like those damned accordions
) and be to heard on stage. Otherwise we might still be playing flat sets.
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and as for the 2nd that is only true if relevant.
For instance the Chieftans play sharp o 440 and they have no trouble being heard on stage,nor tuning to their preferred pitch.
Also I am not aware of anyone having to play with anyone else.Ye don't have to do anything.
As a matter of interest how many of the great Ceilidhe Bands had the pipes and an accordion player together?
also ye wrote..."What the problem with rushing??? Did I misread something?" ...and...
"This would seem a deliberate preference on the part of the builder."
then.."Exactly. On purpose or not it is odd in a new chanter. I'd take this up with the builder. "
...confusing or what???One minute ye are implyig that it is an ok thing(I think cos I am not really sure what ye are saying)the next minute its not an ok thing...
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OK then.. why did ye say that ye ran into an old chanter that needed to be rushed if ye already believed in the 1st of the above quoted statements?
Very true, Pitch standard was by no means set in stone in Willie's day, as it did for most of history.
The real reason that we care about getting a chanter to spot on A 440 is that we have to play with other musicians who can't tune to us, (like those damned accordions
and as for the 2nd that is only true if relevant.
For instance the Chieftans play sharp o 440 and they have no trouble being heard on stage,nor tuning to their preferred pitch.
Also I am not aware of anyone having to play with anyone else.Ye don't have to do anything.
As a matter of interest how many of the great Ceilidhe Bands had the pipes and an accordion player together?
also ye wrote..."What the problem with rushing??? Did I misread something?" ...and...
"This would seem a deliberate preference on the part of the builder."
then.."Exactly. On purpose or not it is odd in a new chanter. I'd take this up with the builder. "
...confusing or what???One minute ye are implyig that it is an ok thing(I think cos I am not really sure what ye are saying)the next minute its not an ok thing...
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Forgive me, I didn't think my statements would have to hold up to magisterial level scrutiny, I thought we were having a conversation, not a trial. Relax already.
So far as I can tell, Paddy Maloney plays concert D sets not flat sets on stage. I didn't say anything about them not being able to heard, or having trouble tuning. Nowadays, you can mike just about anything to audible levels. The concert pitch set evolved for great volume, before the days of amplification.
Rushing could be a deliberate choice of a given builder. I did say it was a good choice. If I received a brand new chanter that needed to be rushed to work from the maker... without previous knowledge of it, you can be damned sure I'd take it up with the maker. IS that clear enough???
I do play with others. If you don't, then you don't have to worry about being in tune with other musicians. Many other pipers do and have, including the pipers in the great old ceili bands. They all came to their own solutions to pitch. It is reasonable to assume that we have to agree on one pitch level, A=440 is as convinient as any.Also I am not aware of anyone having to play with anyone else. Ye don't have to do anything.
So far as I can tell, Paddy Maloney plays concert D sets not flat sets on stage. I didn't say anything about them not being able to heard, or having trouble tuning. Nowadays, you can mike just about anything to audible levels. The concert pitch set evolved for great volume, before the days of amplification.
Rushing could be a deliberate choice of a given builder. I did say it was a good choice. If I received a brand new chanter that needed to be rushed to work from the maker... without previous knowledge of it, you can be damned sure I'd take it up with the maker. IS that clear enough???
