Hubbert: creative genius?

PJ · Post by PJ » Sun Sep 16, 2007 7:08 am

A helpful illustration from Mr. Quinn:

PJ · Post by PJ » Sun Sep 16, 2007 7:11 am

rorybbellows wrote:more like coynes than reid,s !!!

I don't doubt you, but what are the differences between Coyne and Reid keys?

sturob · Post by **sturob** » Sun Sep 16, 2007 8:54 am

Oh, so the keywork on concert regs has to be ugly. Sorry.

Stuart

PJ · Post by PJ » Sun Sep 16, 2007 9:46 am

I didn't suggest that they were ugly. I think it's a gorgeous looking set.

sturob · Post by **sturob** » Sun Sep 16, 2007 11:47 am

No, Rory was just saying they looked "wrong."

Stuart

Elmek · Post by **Elmek** » Sun Sep 16, 2007 3:25 pm

Yes nice work and mammoth looks good and just like elephant ivory - if ypou plan to travel I hope customs can tell the difference

Most makers turn out this standard or better although there are a few who just do not seem to have the eye for ascetics

Names - No we are not going there

sturob · Post by **sturob** » Sun Sep 16, 2007 3:31 pm

It's really easy to tell mammoth from elephant. Take a look here.

You can even tell in the fly picture above that the ivory is mammoth.

Stuart

Elmek · Post by **Elmek** » Sun Sep 16, 2007 4:12 pm

From my experience I find it hard to believe that all customs officers are trained to spot mammoth as opposed to elephant ivory

Seem to recall stories of the eskimos using tea to stain fresh ivory to look antique.

PJ · Post by PJ » Sun Sep 16, 2007 4:23 pm

Elmek wrote:Seem to recall stories of the eskimos using tea to stain fresh ivory to look antique.

Where would the Inuit (they don't like the term Eskimo) get fresh ivory? Are you suggesting that they get in their sea kayaks, paddle from the Arctic Circle to Central Africa, poach elephants, then paddle back with the kayak full of tusks stopping on the way at Tesco's to get their duty free allowance of PG Tips?

I think Geoff Wooff "aged" some ivory with tea when he restored the Coyne set that Nollaig MacCarthaigh received.

billh · Post by **billh** » Sun Sep 16, 2007 4:28 pm

US Fish and Wildlife Service has published at least one guide for agents as to recognizing various ivories, including mammoth. In most cases it can be told apart easily (and not just by color), and agents in the official ports of entry for CITES permits, at least, should have received training on this subject. They would probably have to consult their notes, but if the issue were raised, the above materials are available to the agents.

In many cases all you need is a UV light, if it isn't obvious on inspection.

Bill

P.S. yes, one wonders what some people have stuck up their bores...

John O'Gara · Post by **John O'Gara** » Sun Sep 16, 2007 6:47 pm

PJ wrote:

Where would the Inuit (they don't like the term Eskimo) get fresh ivory?

I'm guessing maybe walrus or narwhal ivory.

PJ · Post by PJ » Sun Sep 16, 2007 6:56 pm

John O'Gara wrote:I'm guessing maybe walrus or narwhal ivory.

That would make sense, but the question was about elephant and mammoth ivory.

John O'Gara · Post by **John O'Gara** » Sun Sep 16, 2007 8:55 pm

Elmek wrote:
Seem to recall stories of the eskimos using tea to stain fresh ivory to look antique.

PJ wrote:

Where would the Inuit (they don't like the term Eskimo) get fresh ivory?

and

That would make sense, but the question was about elephant and mammoth ivory.

Sorry, I guess it's my misinterpretation of which question.

waymer · Post by **waymer** » Sun Sep 16, 2007 9:18 pm

I don't know but I've been told. Inuit ivory is mighty cold.

Sturob that is a beautiful set. Mr. Hubbert has done it again

Jamie

fel bautista · Post by **fel bautista** » Sun Sep 16, 2007 9:27 pm

Waiting...Waiting...Waiting... one of these days