You are probably right. I wonder where the makers mark is located? If it is on the first section, my guess is that the first, second and foot section is a R&R And maybe the head joint. But the keywork has been modified on the first and second section. The barrel looks French, by the shape and French style slide. The Cnat looks like it is retrofit from a German or French flute. A frankinflute!glinjack wrote:Ive got a few major problems with this flute, yes the foot-joint and the lower body section does resemble the RR, but the barelll and the main body of this flute is certainly not RR work as far as im concerned, also im not getting a clear view of the head- joint to determine whether it is or os not from the RR shop. The seller also mentions Rudall Rose & Carte as the makers, and then mentions Rudall & Rose as the name on the flute.
What we have here is a couple of sections of a RR flute and sections from another flute or rebuilt sections.
The C natural and the F keys are not RR work,
I would sugest that if one should bid on this flute, hope they are bidding on it for parts and not for a RR flute.
So all it needs is a new head and barrel, some new keys and replace some blocks, it wouldn't be a bad buy for $200...cocusflute wrote:The Eb key is badly bent.
The C is a replacement key made of nickel. Probably adapted from some other instrument.
A block on the G# key is missing.
A block for the long F key has been knocked off.
The HJ is from the same flute as the tuning barrel and is not original.
The seller did his homework, yes, but that says nothing about the provenance or the authenticity of the flute. An auction house would not present it as A Rudal Rose flute, but rather as a flute stamped Rudall Rose.
Would that eBay sellers were as scrupulous.
Hi,Starreacher Antiques wrote:Hi,
I tryed to see what goodle will find about the flute so i found this forum of yours. So i was surprised to read all your comments. Obviosly you understand much more then me, and as in my life and as ebay seller i never make scams and never have any intention. This flute was brought in my antique shop like many other items, since i buy of things from people. Like many other items and as far i understnad in some fields i always buy and sell authentic things. The man who brought it explaind as much as he could, but not much. So like always before any item i sell i make some research and that was what i came up with. I wouldnt see any reason and in my expirience never saw any forgery what you sugges. Im sure people here dont know how and what is RR and for sure wont forge flute like this. In my work so far, we got many items from all around the world very valuable and iteresting items, that were brought in this regions by very welthy men, for them or their families, and somethimes they end up with people like me. I dont want to make any unnecesary dust in your heads, so i would ask you all to point out things about RR flutes so we can all be clear is this original, is it partly original, or anything else. I allrady did an update on my ebay listing explaing few things about the 2414 number, and how it could be wrong adress, so you can check it out. Also about things that ive heard, that some pieces are from some other maker, i tryed to see very hard, there seem to be no difference between any of the four pieces, the wood the work on it, identical inside the wood as outside on all 4 pieces. Im going to take few more pictures in the morning on the day light it will be better visible, and i will update them on the ebay listing, you can see more then. There is only one thing i can say maybe is not original, the closing cork on the mouth piece. Its not metal with the logo of the company as i saw on flutes catalogued on the net. Maybe it was lost and this is a replacemant, maybe not.
Thats why im here asking you, point to me any things that we can identify it and i will give you information back. Just try asking more clearly what is that we are looking for, since i have no knowlage of music instruments.
Ceers
To let this statement stand would be very misleading. It is not in excellent condition and it is not in superb condition. Aside from the non-original pieces the flute is in only fair condition, at best.As i said before the flute is in excelent condition, i will up-date you with more pictures soon. All parts and piecess are original, no parts had been replaced or repaired. The flute has few minor scratches, but about its age is in superbe condition,
This is what I was referring to, and I agree. The headjoint and the body sections do appear to be made from cocus, while the barrel clearly is made from something nearly completely black, most likely grenadilla or even ebony. I can't say for certain if the Headjoint is, or is not original, but it does match the rest of the flute in terms of the color of the wood, as well as the top ring. As David pointed out, the bottom ring on the headjoint is a replacement, and it matches the rings on barrel perfectly, but it does not match top ring, which does appear original.David Migoya wrote:The barrel is a replacement as is the lower ring of the upper headjoint.
