Crossfingering Accidentals

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Crossfingering Accidentals

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Can anyone tell me the common ways of crossfingering the following accidentals like Gsharp, fnat, Bflat, Eflat on a keyless flute? I'm okay with Cnat and I know about half-holing but I would love to learn more about the option of crossfingering and what to look out for when trying to do it.

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Most cross-fingerings will work only on small-holed flutes. Fnatural will only work on flutes specifically designed for it (XXX XOX), for Eflat you need a key. Here are the others:

Gsharp: first octave XXO XXX, second octave XXO XOX
Bflat: first octave XOX XXO, second octave XXO XXX
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Thanks, chas, I didn't know that it depends on the type of flute one plays whether one can use crossfingering. I play a large hole flute, a Hammy, so it looks crossfingering isn't all that useful - in this case any tips for a beginner with a still floppy embouchure on how to successfully half-hole in tune without the note going completely inaudibly weak? I have been practicing for months without showing the slightest bit of improvement re half holing accidentals...

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vanessa wrote:Thanks, chas, I didn't know that it depends on the type of flute one plays whether one can use crossfingering. I play a large hole flute, a Hammy, so it looks crossfingering isn't all that useful - in this case any tips for a beginner with a still floppy embouchure on how to successfully half-hole in tune without the note going completely inaudibly weak? I have been practicing for months without showing the slightest bit of improvement re half holing accidentals...

Thanks,

Vanessa
Chas is indeed our resident guru on crossfingering.
However these can differ from flute to flute.
Also I can crossfinger succesfully on my Olwell Pratten,
which has largish holes.

On my flutes Bb goes

First Octave:

X0X XXX

Second Octave X0X 0X0

It's worth trying on your Hammy, nothing to lose and it
might work--either Chas's fingering or mine.

I prefer to half hole, personally. Here's how
I go about some of it, FWIW. Others may
do it better.

On the Bb I bring the center of my second finger down
on the bottom lip of the hole. I balance it on the
bottom lip. This leaves some of the hole open.
It enables me to shift
the finger pretty easily to get the Bb.
Works in both octaves.

Going from A to Bflat I rock the finger up on the
bottom lip. Going from B to Bflat I strike at the
bottom lip, just aim a little below the hole.

G# is more difficult, but doable.
Basically the same idea--I put the ring finger
on the bottom lip of the hole.
From G to G# I slide the finger down.
For A to G# I strike at the bottom of
the hole.

Eb is harder still, but doable with practice.
Again one half holes by resting the finger
on the bottom lip of the low D hole.
Sliding into it from D, striking at it
from E (I mean by 'striking' nothing dramatic here,
just putting the finger down).

Methodical practice here, playing D, Eb, E
and G, G#, A, up and down slowly.

Hope this helps. Others may have good advice
and a search may help too.
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On the Hammy, I think the only good cross-fingering I got was the upper octave Bflat; Jim's suggestion for the lower octave Bflat might work, too.

Fortunately the Hammy half-holes really well. I'd suggest starting with the easy notes -- F and Bflat. Find a good tune in C or F (I started on The Princess Royal), fiddle around a little with getting the accidentals in tune, and play till you get it right. The method Jim suggests is a good one; the other way is to straighten your finger out a little so that there's a gap on the side toward the fingertip. I prefer Jim's method, my teacher prefers this one.
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Jim and Chas.... thanks a million for the advice... I found that very helpful :)

Warm regards,

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warm regards back
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