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Vulpyne wrote:I'm pretty sure just holding up your arms in a flute gripping position with *no* flute for 30 minutes or so would be pretty hard at first.
Even boxers have trouble with this as they move up the ranks and have to box more rounds. They're holding up boxing gloves, but I don't think those are very heavy.

At least flute players don't have people trying to punch them in the face - if they do, they're playing VERY badly! :D
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I have arthritis in my hands. I've had trouble with large-holed flutes. But I have a Copley Delrin (I think it's about the same hole sizes and positions as his wood flutes), and have no problem playing it for an hour or so at a time.
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chas wrote:Copley Delrin (I think it's about the same hole sizes and positions as his wood flutes)
It's identical (I've got both). And I also have arthritic fingers...
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2 success stories.....I hold you both responsible for my missing $425 tomorrow. :twisted:
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The flute is now mine. I thought it was in playable condition at first, but then the cork on one of the tenons disintegrated. In the meantime, I cleaned it up as best I could. Somebody had used what appeared to be gray lipstick for tuning slide lube. And the same substance was on the next joint as well.....yuck. The problem is that this was no longer lubricating (if it ever was) and was causing things to stick. I removed it as best I could, but some of it is still up inside the head where I can't get at it. But the tuning slide moves almost normally now. I can feel it stick just a tiny bit, but once I lube it up with the much-touted toilet wax, it should do even better. Also oiled the wood it since it obviously hadn't had maintenance in a few years. Yes, I know there is debate about oiling instruments; no need to rehash here. :) I think I'll only do one oil application for now and let it sit overnight to absorb. I want to get this up and running in the next couple of days.

We'll see how I'm feeling tomorrow evening. I might tackle the corks. I'll probably just do them all so they're fresh. Once it becomes playable, I'll try and post pics.

I do have a question: The end plug is threaded as if there is supposed to be a rod that connects to the cork. But there is no cork to stop the air. There is, however, a metal? plug that appears to be permanently affixed inside. Is the end plug (or whatever the technical name is) purely cosmetic in this case?

I kind of feel bad for whoever isn't playing it anymore. It seems as if some down-on-their-luck aspiring musician needed money worse than they needed music. I feel in a way that I'm helping take advantage of some poor soul somewhere.
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Congrats on the new flute! I've had a Copley & Boegli for 11 years now, and it's a great instrument.
For starters, take a look at the maker's care instructions here: http://copleyflutes.com/woodcare.pdf He tells how to make tuning slide lube and addresses oiling.

Honestly, while the repairs it needs are pretty minor, I'd take it to a qualified repair shop rather that attempting them yourself--a shop that works on clarinets, flutes, and the like can do the work. Or send it to Dave Copley himself for some basic refurbishing. Better safe than sorry, I say, especially since you got the flute at a bargain price. A few more bucks will have it singing.
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I'd go ahead and call or write to Dave. He's the best kind of human and will most certainly walk you through things. http://www.copleyflutes.com/

I think he's just back from vacation so should be in an extra-good mood :-D
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Upon further reflection, I think it wise to have Dave look at his own creation since I know little about flutes. Too bad he can't look at it until mid-August. But he did say he has a quick turnaround time for routine repairs. I should hopefully have it back by the end of August.

I feel like a kid who got a new toy and is not allowed to play with it for a month.
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I know the feeling. The upside is that in a month, you'll have a great flute that will serve you well for years to come. In the meantime, buy or dust off a tin whistle, and you can work on tunes and fingerings. Then, when the flute's ready, you can focus more on embouchure and such.
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Exactly my thoughts. Especially since my health problems frequently prevent me from playing fiddle. Last night I put in a good amount of times learning tunes on the whistle. There are all sorts of things that could use improvement so the time is not lost. And there a couple of good whistle/flute instructors locally that I'm trying to pin down. Learning is so much faster and smoother with a teacher, at least for those of us who didn't grow up in the tradition.
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Sounds like a perfect plan. Get a few tunes into your ear/under your fingers on the whistle, and that may make it easier to focus on the embouchure thing because at least your fingers will have a vague idea or where to go. So have fun, and don't worry about the wait. You'll have years to bemoan your flute embouchure. ;-)
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Peter Duggan wrote:
Vulpyne wrote:it takes practice to build up your muscles and find a comfortable position. I'm pretty sure just holding up your arms in a flute gripping position
Afraid you're probably *gripping* too hard if you need to build up your muscles to hold the flute...

Sure, it takes time to develop the chops for your embouchure, but you shouldn't need to be building muscles to hold the thing up!
I think that's just a blanket statement for those who are in good physical condition, with no underlying medical issues. With anything new, sometimes newly used muscles can get sore with use for anyone. But after a little while, they will become used to it and strengthen to the demands.

I have Psoriatic Arthritis, and have been able to play the flute with no great side effects, though my Fibromyalgia and tendonitis (etc) probably gives me a worse time with it. My muscles were sore in the beginning, especially my back muscles. The degree to which your own Psoriatic Arthritis limits you is highly individual. And as far as I know, all Arthritis is degenerative. The best advice how to help with it, will come from a competent doctor who is interested in that disease. There are medications that help stop the degeneration, or at least slow it down.

No matter; it is worth the effort to see how it goes for you-you have little to lose by trying, and especially at that price, as others have also suggested. The flute is a great instrument, and can bring you a lot of healing (mind and body) just through playing an enjoyable musical instrument. Go for it, if you can afford it-it is a no-brainer if it that is so.

Edited to add: The only thing you want to do first is check it out well for cracks before you buy.

Have a blast!
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greenspiderweb wrote:And as far as I know, all Arthritis is degenerative.
Aye, there's the rub. I'm probably looking at another 35-45 years with these hands (and feet).
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Yes, or course, you're correct about all arthritis being degenerative. What I meant to say is that it is not typically deformative like RA or spondyloarthrits. I have a specialist who treats me. I have only been diagnosed within the last year and am still struggling with the medication. I recently started taking one that costs close to $2k per month. Thank goodness for insurance!

I still love the fiddle, but I don't have the necessary flexibility for the instrument. I'm afraid I will develop more tendonitis if I push anything too hard. Things have been better since I started the latest meds, but I still feel like I need to be careful. Seems like anything I do leads to tendonitis if I'm not careful. The more neutral I can keep my body the better.

Thanks again to everybody who chimed in here. I really appreciate the responses!
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Yay! My flute is arriving today after being tuned up by Mr. Copley. Now to find some good information about embouchure........
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