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Posted: Mon Sep 24, 2007 7:38 am
by Lyn D
Does anyone know how the reach is on the Howard low D compared to the reach on the Burke low D Viper? I've tried the Viper, so I'd like to know if the Howard's reach is the same, longer, or shorter. Thanks.
Lyn
Posted: Mon Sep 24, 2007 11:50 am
by swizzlestick
Lyn, this is what I had to say in a recent thread about low whistles. When I read it back, I realize that I seem to be declaring the Howard the winner, but that's not really true since I now own both and don't intend to let either go. Let me know if you have any other questions I might be able to answer.
swizzlestick wrote: I was surprised to see how small a Viper can pack down when you break it down into 4 sections. Must be the most packable low D around.
Imp, I have not tried many low D whistles, but I have played a Burke Viper and a Howard back to back. The hole size and spacing on them are almost exactly the same except for the second and fifth holes counting from the top on the Howard. (A and E respectively.) These two holes are not that much larger, but they are wide enough to create saddle like dips in the tube because of the curvature. This is not a great explanation, but you will certainly understand since you play a Howard. The Burke does not have such deep indentations so the holes are a bit easier to seal. Finger stretch is actually better on the Howard -- the Burke makes you reach lower with that bottom finger
That said, I like the fact that the Howard uses a lot less air. I need to take a breath far more often with the Burke. (Keep in mind that I have asthma and my lung volume is not what it should be.)
Sound wise, both are great, but they are on opposite ends of the spectrum.
Posted: Mon Sep 24, 2007 10:54 pm
by The Laughing Imp
swizzlestick wrote:Lyn, this is what I had to say in a recent thread about low whistles. When I read it back, I realize that I seem to be declaring the Howard the winner, but that's not really true since I now own both and don't intend to let either go. Let me know if you have any other questions I might be able to answer.
swizzlestick wrote: I was surprised to see how small a Viper can pack down when you break it down into 4 sections. Must be the most packable low D around.
Imp, I have not tried many low D whistles, but I have played a Burke Viper and a Howard back to back. The hole size and spacing on them are almost exactly the same except for the second and fifth holes counting from the top on the Howard. (A and E respectively.) These two holes are not that much larger, but they are wide enough to create saddle like dips in the tube because of the curvature. This is not a great explanation, but you will certainly understand since you play a Howard. The Burke does not have such deep indentations so the holes are a bit easier to seal. Finger stretch is actually better on the Howard -- the Burke makes you reach lower with that bottom finger
That said, I like the fact that the Howard uses a lot less air. I need to take a breath far more often with the Burke. (Keep in mind that I have asthma and my lung volume is not what it should be.)
Sound wise, both are great, but they are on opposite ends of the spectrum.
Wow! Which thread did you post that on? I completely missed it. That was EXACTLY the comparison I've been looking for. Thanks for reposting it.
I must admit. Something clicked last night for me and my Howard. I suddenly could play music on it at a fair clip. No squawks, squeaks, or squelches. It was finally fun. Not sure why. I'd experimented with that particular variation of the piper's grip before, but I guess I just got it last night. And here I went and prostrated myself on public forums admitting what a low D loser I was. My PM box has been filled with snide comments and insults from master low D players. Dale personally sent me a recording of himself laughing at me. I'm ashamed I tell you. Ashamed...
Posted: Sat Sep 29, 2007 5:05 am
by bdh
That's great news. I had a similar experience with my Tipple flute. One day I just picked it up and could play it. Weird...
Posted: Sat Sep 29, 2007 7:02 am
by pancelticpiper
Well you guys are really making me want to go out and buy a Howard now!!! Just when I thought I had settled on a low D!
I love my Burke, but I have two issues with it 1) there's something about the wide finger spacing of the upper hand combined with the huge diameter of the thing that makes my upper hand want to become tense and 2) it does require considerably more air than the flute.
For #1 I've been practicing on relaxing my upper hand and experimenting with variations on the piper's grip, and various thumb positions including keeping the upper thumb off altogether (but then the lower thumb gets tense- maybe I need a thumbrest?)
For #2 I just take breaths more often which suits my flutish style anyhow.
So what is the volume of the Howard compared to the Burke Pro?
Posted: Sat Sep 29, 2007 8:05 pm
by anniemcu
Swizz, how do they compare for volume? I love my Howard, but it gets lost at session. I need something with more volume but not much more hand spread.
Posted: Sun Sep 30, 2007 12:30 pm
by swizzlestick
anniemcu wrote:Swizz, how do they compare for volume? I love my Howard, but it gets lost at session. I need something with more volume but not much more hand spread.
You would think that's an easy question, but I just realized that I don't think of one as being louder than the other. In the interest of unscientific research, I asked my daughter to stand on the far side of the room while I played a few scales on each. Results? She thinks the Howard is louder and also more penetrating in the top range. (The Howard has a particularly rich and distinctive upper octave.) The Viper is a bit louder in the lower octave with an especially strong bell note. The volume is surprisingly well balanced between octaves on a Viper.
Please keep in mind that the mouthpiece on my Howard is one version back from current production. And that I don't play low whistle at session yet.
I should also note that the Viper has a greater dynamic range than I see in most whistles. You can play softly or push to get more volume and still stay reasonably in tune. You should adjust the tuning slide according to which way you normally play.
How's that for muddying the water?
Anyone who does play a Viper in session out there?