35,000 year old 'flute' discovered in Germany?

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35,000 year old 'flute' discovered in Germany?

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Has anyone else seen this?
http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtm ... ID=7055861
A 35,000 year old 'flute' made from a woolly mammoth's ivory tusk was found in the Swabian mountains in southwestern Germany.

I'm not entirely sure what constitutes a 'flute' or a 'whistle' but I sorta' doubt it had the hardware to make it a flute anything like what we know...even though it was probably made by the normally clever German folk. :)

Dale, I think the C&F Center for Scientific Research oughta' make the trek to Germany for further investigation and loads of tasty pastry! What say ye?

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Naturally, the flute forum's ahead of the game on this one. :D

http://chiffboard.mati.ca/viewtopic.php?t=24353

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From what it says, it would be a pic of bone shards.
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emmline wrote:From what it says, it would be a pic of bone shards.
*tsk*

Em, as I recall, the article sez the shards were reassembled. My question is, is it playable? Is it in Just, Mean, or Equal temperament? May we expect replicas?
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OK, I will bow to semantic hairsplitting and admit upon rereading that the article said "pieced together", not "reassembled". Philistines. You may be right, Em. They might have put it together like a puzzle and then got tired. How to find out? Must I travel to Swabia?
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Nano...are you arguing with yourself?
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Mammoth tusks: the PVC of the stone age

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(There's just something really funny about imagining a prehistoric human trying to make an instrument. Probably the fact that I've tried and felt like a caveman myself. :P )
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One could form a lot from 31 shards of bone. What makes them so sure it's an instrument. Without pictures it's a worthless article. Maybe the archeologists wanted to find an instrument thus they found an instrument.
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Ok, girls and boys,
as Tübingen is only a stone's throw away, I'll see if I can give that ol' Schwegel a good Flogging Reel. And after that I'll make a couple of replicas out of hens' wings and sell them for 2.000 each. Now is that a master plan? :D
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ChristianRo wrote:Ok, girls and boys,
as Tübingen is only a stone's throw away, I'll see if I can give that ol' Schwegel a good Flogging Reel. And after that I'll make a couple of replicas out of hens' wings and sell them for 2.000 each. Now is that a master plan? :D
Hah! For 2.000 Euros, I want crane bone. AND a tuning slide. :twisted:
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I have written in my will, that I insist on being buried with my trombone...the trombone I hated, and was forced to play in 7th grade. In that way, I'll know that nobody will ever be forced to play it, ever again.

But after reading this thread, I am hoping that, 35,000 years from now, when I am dug up, some archeologist will make a discovery....ancient Homo sapiens found with curious metal musical instrument.

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Flyingcursor wrote:One could form a lot from 31 shards of bone. What makes them so sure it's an instrument. Without pictures it's a worthless article. Maybe the archeologists wanted to find an instrument thus they found an instrument.
Heheh. I was thinking the same thing. What if it used to be a whole tusk and they just never found the peices where the "holes" are?
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Flyingcursor wrote: Without pictures it's a worthless article.
Try this one: http://www.faz.net/s/RubF7538E273FAA400 ... t.html#top

The article is in German, but the pictures are quite astonishing anyway.

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[img]http://www.faz.net/imagecache/{F5FAAB75 ... cture.jpeg[/img]

Bit of a stretch, unless they're the redundant C/C# holes on the footjoint!
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